Podcast – Episode 0233 – Goddesses In Everywoman — The Virgin Goddess Archetypes
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In this episode, Joel and Antonia start a short series talking about the goddess archetypes that show up for some people. This episode details the virgin goddesses in everywoman.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- Animas and Anima – Feminine and Masculine Archetypes
- Goddesses in Everywoman by Jean Bolen
- Gods in Everyman by Jean Bolen
- Doctor and Jungian analyst
- According to Jung: “Archetype is a collectively inherited unconscious idea that is universally present in individual psyches.”
- We start manifesting specific patterns individually and as a group.
- Bolen uses the pantheon of Greek Gods and Goddesses that have survived for thousands of years.
- Anima is Latin for breath, soul, spirit. Animation.
- Jung used anima to describe the inner feminine of men
- Animas is the inner masculine of women.
- Feeler men and Thinker women
- There are seven goddesses we will discuss
- There is one feminine, but it has fractured into different archetypes
- Men can identify with some of these Goddesses as an Anima
- Women will identify with some Gods as their animas
- We can identify with more than one Goddess or God
- Try to identify your shadow archetypes or the parts of you that are less developed.
- All of these energies live inside of us.
- Some are strengths, and some are weaknesses or suppressed.
- These archetypes may show up at different times in our lives.
- They can be triggered by hormonal shifts, age shifts, or life changes.
- Three categories of Goddesses:
- Virgin Goddesses – characterized by independence. They didn’t belong to anyone.
- Vulnerable Goddesses – Relational Goddesses. Dependent upon relationships with people.
- Alchemical Goddess – neither a virgin nor vulnerable. She chose her companions and path. Never the victim.
- Virgin Goddesses:
- Vulnerable Goddesses:
- Alchemical Goddess:
- Virgin Goddess Archetypes are not driven by a need to please anyone – not even herself.
- They have a guiding star to whatever is true for them
- They have a one-track mind and are focused on whatever is driving them.
- Artemis was the daughter of Zeus. A very celebrated Goddess.
- She left civilization and dwelt in the forest with nymphs.
- She was the protector of wildlife and young girls.
- She was very earthy. Marked with a bow and arrow.
- Didn’t like to be around people too much.
- Environmentally focused
- Goddess of the hunt but a protector of wild animals.
- She only fell in love once, with Orion.
- Her brother, Apollo, challenged her to hit something floating in the ocean, so she did – and killed Orion.
- Artemis is extremely competitive.
- Examples of Artemis in pop culture:
- Katniss Eberdeen from Hunger Games
- Aria Stark from Game of Thrones
- “Far distant Artemis” – marked by separation. Can be cruel or unkind.
- Artemis can get caught up in the present and forget to build for the future.
- Not terribly creative
- We seem to be in a very Artemis time – Strong independence for women
- Feminist movements
- Artemis women stick together and separate from society, which makes them stronger
- Athena sprang from Zeus’s head as a full-grown woman.
- She was the goddess of wisdom, crafts and wartime strategy
- A lot of Thinker women identify with Athena energy
- She wears armor
- Credited with giving humanity the bridle to tame the horse
- Strategic and industrious – very productive
- Artemis separated from society and masculinity
- Athena identifies with masculine energy more than female
- Claire Underwood from House of Cards
- Athena women can be very protective of masculine energy and go to bat with Artemis women
- Athena is a feminine archetype, not an Animas
- She is a thinker character and entirely feminine
- Thinker women will likely identify with these two Goddesses
- Artemis is going to identify with TP women who use Introverted Thinking
- Athena is going to identify with TJ women who use Extraverted Thinking
- Feeler women who have conscious Thinking functions may identify with aspects of these Goddesses
- Athenas tend to go with what works and be more industrious
- Athena didn’t have a childhood and Athena women often feel like they didn’t have a childhood.
- So such women need to reclaim their childlike wonder and emotion
- Athenas need to discover their mother, too.
- They also tend not to forgive themselves very well and push themselves too hard
- They feel like they need to be tough because their mothers were missing
- Hestia is the only Goddess who didn’t have a face
- Hestia is Goddess of the hearth – Zeus’s sister
- Hestia doesn’t make a fuss.
- She is the least known among the Goddesses
- Women who have the Hestia archetype are warm and inviting, and they turn their homes into warm and inviting places.
- Support energy. Enabler.
- They turn housekeeping into a meditative experience.
- Hestia doesn’t demean her activity
- Second wave feminism – big push to remind Artemis and Athena that some women enjoy keeping house. The important thing is the ability to choose.
- Hestia women do activities that are not well celebrated.
- Hestia-like activities are unhurried, like photography.
- The Oracle from the Matrix is a Hestia personality
- Grandma from True Blood
- Luna Lovegood from Harry Potter – maybe
- Hestias can be a little quirky and weird because they are so inwardly focused
- Life Changing Magic of Tidying up by Marie Kondo
- To be devalued is very hurtful to Hestias
- It is hard for Hestias not to have something to hold onto
- The modern world is shifting away from institutions which Hestia finds comfortable.
- Hestias can acquire assertiveness by developing Artemis or Athena energy and learn to fight for themselves
- Hermes Animas
- Hestia and Hermes are frequently together
- Hestia was the hearth and Hermes was a pillar in the front of the house
- Inward and outward facing energy
- Hestia can develop the Hermes Animas to give her a front facing piece so she can be more assertive
- Hermes is a lot of fun. We will cover him in the Gods podcast
- We tend to overidentify with our experience. Don’t overvalue one Goddess over another
- Recognize the differences and honor them.
- Three vulnerable goddesses are coming up next
- Can you fit some of these archetypes in your life?
- We tend to deny our anima/animas
- Identify and integrate these parts of you
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First of all this is such a beautiful series, I love it. I totally identify with the Artemis and Athena qualities with a slight preference for Athena, because I am not that earthy or tactical, although I hang out with women more for example. Artemis reminds me of this highschool girl from a prestigious female only school who is popular with other girls, but really hates guys and is the girl to tell her friend to stop seeing a guy because they’re vile or something.
Haha, and my mom is more Athena than I am so I didn’t raise nobody. She was also an Artemis so yeah.
On Hestia however: you know there are a lot of Hestia female characters in Japanese animes in my opinion, because they have more traditional views still of women and how they should be and it’s not bad to be Hestia-like. It’s actually almost preferred, because of how comforting and how important of a cog she can be to making the social machine work. She is quiet, doesn’t complain and does her part, no matter how looked down upon the work is. It’s almost viewed as noble.
I find Nico Robin from One Piece has a lot of Hestia qualities put in her. She is quiet, always smiles warmly (and mysteriously), she is never bombastic you’ll never see her hurry up even if the situation probably calls for it, the way she fights is by confusing others with the way her power works (she grows arms out of her body) that catches the enemy off-guard so she has time to bend people backwards to crack their back and leave them in pain without rushing anything. That doesn’t mean they didn’t put other qualities in her of course, but the Hestia quality is really something I see a lot in Japanese animes or dramas.
In Cells at Work you can find Macrophages being very warm, drinking tea quietly, they’re actually dressed as housemaids and you’ll find them holding a broom sweeping the floor inside a home, or nurturing the younger red blood cells before they can go out and work. And when it’s their turn to kill bacteria, they actually work slow. They show up late to wherever the bacteria are wreaking havoc.
But then Japanese creators really like their weird extreme contrasts so you’ll see the Macrophages killing bacteria with a really warm smile as their face gets splattered by their blood. Robin has that weird contrast too where she has a really morbid sense of humor for example. So she’ll freak her crew mates out. Actually it’s really unlike a Hestia archetype to even join a pirate crew, but somehow the creator is making it work and you’ll find her quietly sipping coffee somewhere on the ship, sitting in the sun reading a book.
I think in the US it’s very important to be bombastic and have a clear personality, but know that in other parts of the world the more quiet, gracious and warm quality is preferred so don’t feel bad. And then you have the Netherlands who want you to be clear on who you are but they don’t want you to be bombastic. A famous Dutch saying: “doe normaal dan doe je al gek genoeg.” Paraphrased it means: “act normal, that’s already crazy enough.”
My point is there are a lot of variations of what energy or archetype is preferred depending on the country you’re in and you don’t have to perfectly match it or you can find a growth-path in participating if that’s what you do too little of.
Thank you Antonia for the book suggestion and the podcast. I wish the book were in audiobook form. I appreciate the effort and time you and Joel put into to you podcast and all your programs.
Thank you for this amazing podcast. The god/goddess archetypes seemed like a lighthearted, fun break from your regular talks (reminded me of those internet quizzes ‘which city are you’) but boy was I wrong. Not that it wasn’t lighthearted but I was surprised at how useful it is to visualize different feminine and masculine energies through the Greek pantheon and to explore when and how you tap into them in your own life.
As an INTJ I was unsurprised that I identified most with Athena and Artemis (knowing a thing or two about Greek mythology). Artemis for my feminist ideals and tendency to hang out with my ‘sisters’. Athena because I’m very cerebral and want to be at least as good as ‘the boys’ careerwise. I did learn however, to my shame, that I have been undervaluing Hestia energy my entire life. Maybe because I feel pushed by society towards that role. But when you described her in detail, I could immediately think of a couple of women that I know who show up a lot like Hestia. In the shape of creating the conditions for others to thrive (our events planner at work) or enjoying quiet Marie Kondo style homemaking (an editor friend). I always considered it a character flaw that these women don’t stand up for themselves and don’t show much ambition. As you said, I took myself to be the norm to strive for – how narcissistic (reference intended). So I’ll definitely listen to the rest of this series. I am certain it will help me further in developing compassion for other people as well as show the value of other energies to use in areas of my own life.
Hestia’s have not been portrayed in great numbers in television of late. You can see them in Edith, Archie Bunker’s wife in All in the Family. June Lockhart as the mother of Timmy in Lassie is another. Sebastian Cabot portrayed a butler in Family Affair also demonstrated Hestia in his role. Beaver Cleaver’s mother was another. Take a trip down memory lane for Hestia examples.
Another way to think of the warmth of Hestia, instead of literal views of housekeeping and crafts, maybe look at the action of the story, which is that the life-giving force of contained fire is handed down from woman to woman, homemaker to homemaker, life giver to life giver. I think we too easily reduce this absolutely necessary energy. Think about it. Without the fierce (underlined) energy of giving life and then tending to it, we have nothing. We would be less than animals without it, but with the fire, we are something else: human, civilized, self-aware. It took fortitude and forward-seeing for people, women, to contain the fire, birth and feed the children. The calm comes from the knowledge that without tending to life, what comes is death. I’m taking care of a wild baby bird at the moment and he demands his life in ways that calls this real nurturing forward. Watch this Youtube video on an Australian woman who naturally conceived quintuplets and listen to how she talks about her body and energy when she faces having five babies growing within her, birthing them (with a lot of help) and caring for them. She almost talks of herself as a goddess. I think you’ll like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AJEiKDVfe0 This is a deeper, older energy perhaps. Please let it be as big and as important as it really is. The dull, personality-less housewife paradigm has been created by men and is but a watered down version of what it really is; even in Greek times this may have been true. Stilll in the 80’s when the book was written, there was a tugging at the tightness of this caricature but not the full-on awakening we are going through right now.
Greetings — another female INFJ here (also a 9 on the Enneagram), and I identified with Hestia as well. In the podcast you mentioned it was a bit harder to find recognizable examples of characters that show up in a Hestia attitude. I’m a big reader of 18th-19th century literature, and quite a few examples immediately came into my mind (some good, some not so good):
1) Beth March in “Little Women”. She was the quiet sister who faded into the background, had no real plans of her own, no love interest, helps around the house, and eventually contracts a deathly illness from serving the poor. A quote from the book perfectly illustrates the potentially sad and negative aspect of Hestia: “I only mean to say that I have a feeling that it never was intended I should live long. I’m not like the rest of you. I never made any plans about what I’d do when I grew up. I never thought of being married, as you all did. I couldn’t seem to imagine myself anything but stupid little Beth, trotting about at home, of no use anywhere but there.”
2) Fanny Price in “Mansfield Park.” She’s a more positive example — the good, quiet, moral girl who helps others, does not assert herself, accepts what happens to her with humility, loves faithfully, and sees the more cunning female archetypes around her crash and burn into disgrace while she’s the only female left standing at the end of the book (and she’s rewarded with the love of her life). The movie version spices her up with some creativity and feistiness she doesn’t have in the novel. A quote from Fanny: “I was quiet, but I was not blind.”
3) Amy Dorrit in Charles Dickens’ “Little Dorrit.” She keeps house for her indebted/imprisoned and disgraced father, always caring for him and self-sacrificing. She loves silently from the shadows, never expecting requital. She’s warm and loving to all, befriends the the mentally disabled, wouldn’t hurt a fly, doesn’t assert herself, and sits on the floor quietly stitching away… yet she finds love and riches by the end without seeking for them.
4) Jane Bennett in “Pride and Prejudice.” She’s much less noticeable as a character (pales and disappears beside Lizzie), is nonassertive, warm, hopeful, gentle. Yet she ends up happily married and wealthy just like her more forthright sister, none the worse for her gentle ways.
None of these women take hold of their desires and pursue them, and never ever would they do so at the cost of someone else’s happiness. If things turn out well for them (in a story) it is because a point is being made that “good things come to those who wait”, or that morality and goodness win out in the long run over aggressive self-promotion or putting one’s desires above other people’s. This is hardly ever seen in pop culture today because so few believe this is truly the moral arc of the universe. I think that the Artemis and Athena archetypes are much more visible in pop culture, and the Hestia archetype is caricatured, ignored, or viewed with contempt. I have to admit I like the Victorian gentleness a little better. I have some Hestia in me, to be sure! I’m rather weary of Artemis and Athena getting all the leading roles. It’s why I mostly watch BBC productions of 18th-19th century novels! I did love the new Wonder Woman though. 🙂
Great examples – thanks for the comment!
I also have 9 in my tritype and relate to Hestia.
I always found it interesting and peculiar how Athena never had to deal with irritating suitors, and no one really inquired upon her private life.
I visited Greece last year and spent a lot of time specifically looking for those stories and depictions, and never found them.
Athena occupied the incredibly privileged position of being a woman respected for her mind and skills. I always identified most strongly with her, and only recently realized just how rare it is in the world for women to be “allowed” to just be that.
This podcast came at the perfect time. I became really interested in archetypes after the new Star Wars movie. I found Rey and Kylo so interesting I went down the rabbit hole of archetypes in mythology/philosophy.
The thing that stood out to me was how nuanced an approach the Greeks had to human psychology compared to today.
I think their is two schools of thought today:
The Left = there is no female/male gender patterns, just be whatever you want to be.
The Right = Men act like men, women act like women, they get married, all is right in the world. The Left wing ignores gender patterns, while the Right-wing is so black and white and simplistic.
The fact that the Greeks had a female god that had some masculine qualities but ultimately wanted to hang out with mostly women, while another goddess was the embodiment of feminine energy but ultimately was at peace being single is such a more nuanced approach to human behavior than what the modern world recognizes today.
I know the standards of today have gotten much looser, but over all, it is still the norm for women to get married. I think if a woman, today identifies with a Virgin goddess they in large part have to hide the fact that they feel at peace being in solitude and dont HAVE to have someone beside them. I know an Artemis woman in her 40s that never married and does not have kids that constantly has to explain herself. I think this still happens a lot.
Its really cool that the Greeks had three goddesses that are not attached to relationships. Its much more nuanced stories than basically all of Hollywood and Disney, haha.
I also thought of a few Hestia women: the mom in “Pleasantville”, and the main character in “The Shape of Water” (These two are in relationships so I dont know if they count) but they both have a very calm, inner peace-feel to them while being independent.
I loved Pleasantville!
I am wondering if Antonia and Joel have an advice for women who resonate with a certain architype(s) which conflicts her MBTI personality type? For example, I am INFJ, but I strongly resonate with Athena energy. We can imagine that TP women can resonate with Artemis, and TJ women can resonate with TPs. However, what about women who don’t have extraverted thinking in her cognitive stack but she has a strong Athena energy coming from deep inside of her? This is a big struggle for me in my entire life, feeling like my Athena type energy does not have any outlet and being stuck inside of me since my cognitive functions work differently. As Joel mentioned in this podcast, Martha Stewart must have a lot of Athena energy as she created her entire. However, Martha Stewart as ISFJ does not have Extraverted Thinking in her cognitive stack. I am wondering how this works out? Would you mind sharing your thoughts on this?
While there are probably correlations between personality type and archetype, I’ve found more value out of these by not correlating them. For example, I identify the strongest with Aphrodite (the goddess that we’ll talk about in the third podcast) and she’s most associated with sensing and feeling. As an ENTP, that would also appear to be ‘against’ type.
Resting into our different energies brings more fidelity to us as individuals. It’s okay if they manifest something different than would be expected. 🙂
thank you so much for doing a series of podcasts about this. i love MBTI, enneagram, but i also love archetypes so i am thrilled you guys are doing this. personally, i don’t relate to the virgin goddesses much. i have read other similar things though and i suspect i’m a persephone/aphrodite hybrid. though, i find as i am getting older i may be starting to feel a bit of artemis energy in my veins. so looking forward to the rest of this series!
Wow, I’m loving this series and am so glad you are revisiting these archetypes.
I am a Thinker woman, 75 and several years retired now, but did a lot with Jung, Bolen and the goddess archetypes back in early 90’s. I always identified heavily with both Artemis and Athena throughout my working life, and though I used Athena more at that point, somehow she never seemed to resonate as deeply.
I’m sitting here laughing while listening to your podcast, because, after ending a relationship recently along with some heavy volunteer commitments, I have literally moved to a cabin in the woods, just me and my two dogs, and yesterday was watching a deer strolling across my front yard. You can’t get much more Artemis than that, tho I admit I didn’t run out and kill the deer. (Don’t ask me about the multitudes of mice, rats, and rabbits I’ve had to kill though lol)
I am also thoroughly enjoying not having to make long term plans or organize groups or manage people. I still sometimes feel like I “should” be doing those things both because I’m know I’m good at it and also don’t I owe it to the world? But I’m trying to separate guilt from desire right now and Artemis seems to be giving me space to sort those things out.
Also like Artemis, I have always known that I was somehow driven by this internal calling to follow a certain path in life – multiple various and changing paths – but yes, something would just almost take over my being and tell me “go this way.” I had not remembered that component of Artemis until you mentioned it in your podcast, so thank you for pointing that out.
Neither had I thought too much about Hestia before in my life – she was more like a temporary pleasant break in an otherwise overscheduled life.
Now she is becoming an integral part of my day. I brought with me here only those things I needed or that bring beauty into my life. Another person commented here that Hestia is about more than housekeeping and maintenance – that these activities are not just necessities or pleasures in their own right but are also pathways to a more Zen spirituality. And I am finding that daily rhythm of cooking, cleaning, maintaining becoming deeply satisfying. Similarly I find peace watching the birds and butterflies at my feeders during the day and listening to the coyotes as I’m falling asleep at night.
What I realize, of course, is that I am fortunate to have both the health and financial resources to be able to pursue this life at my age – along with family and female friends close by and grandkids still needing some care, so I’m hardly completely isolated. And yes I have thoroughly enjoyed all my prior lifestyles spent careering, child raising, husband tending – multiple other archetypes in play at various stages of my life. Yet there was always this call from Artemis that I could feel running deep inside me. All I can say is that she is a strong one, that woman, and she will ultimately have her way with you.
Somewhat separate, but I believe you have done some work with Erik Thor who also works with MBTI and archetypes – along with Enneagram. Have you been coordinating with him at all on this series?
This is a great illustration of our archetypes resurfacing, and how we engage with them over time. Thanks!
p.s. Erik has written articles for us, but we haven’t collaborated on projects or content to date.
My thoughts as I listened:
Abandoning what you deep down love is sacrificed for the body skill, focus and physical skill. Emotional distance to herself and subjective needs. A function we need to survive, linked to hypervigilance and the fight mechanism in the nervous system (hyper arousal) and getting base needs met – survival. I see it linked to a survival mechanism we all need to be able to prioritize like this in times of need. The paradox for Artemis is that she wants to protect the external qualities (vulnerability, innocence and being able to relax in the body) that she has a difficulty accessing in herself.
Having to grow up too quickly, too much responsibility and thus the emotional needs are down prioritized. Which we need in times of survival. And when the ”war” is over they strategize for worse times by building up the resources. Which is very useful if there will be a next ”war”. I also see this is as a coping mechanism to survive when our emotional needs aren’t getting met. Then we go abandon the inner child and become small adults – parentification. Intellectualization at the expense of self. Suppression, stoicism and dissociation, the nervous system in hypoarousal – shut down. And this inner drama lives on in adult time, preparing for that next ”war”. By preparing I see them as choosing wisely for careers, choosing the durable and quality stuff to really feel safe. Their shadow is spontaneity and live in the moment and connect back to their personal self.
Care taking quality in us. Gives to others but at the expense of individuality and self. it is also linked to a coping mechanism and the fawning. Develop their own personality. Nurturing has become the sole purpose. Give warmth. Giving inner warmth to self might be what they need to do and being selfish in receiving this from themselves. Making herself matter and to receive from others. Becoming texturized in her personality.
All three are connected to SP in Enneagram.
They are relate to inner structures and inner mechanisms that we all need to have available to us but we feel better if we can choose WHEN and not feel we do not have choice.
I love this book! So happy to hear it, and discussion of myth, on the podcast. I can’t wait to hear the next episode!
Do you know of Christine Downing’s book Gods in Our Midst? This is a similar Jungian look at Greek god archetypes from the perspective of the animus in women. There is also the article by Philip Zabriskie that inspired Downing, called ‘Goddesses in Our Midst’, about the goddesses in the anima in men. I found Downing’s book super helpful in getting to know my animus and becoming less vulnerable to and wary of masculine energy.
Thanks for the podcast!
Great suggestions. Thank you!
Thanks so much for this podcast series! Love it that you’re bringing in these archetypes of goddesses and gods. Very helpful.
A couple of thoughts.
My Hestia energy wants to say (assertively yet gently!) that, while she knows it’s not easy to capture the Hestia energy (even for herself sometimes!), she’d like to request that you try dialing back a bit of the focus on house and housekeeping (not her thing much at all and it’s such a tricky stereotype for women!), and bringing up a bit more of the temple and the spiritual which can be a rich and powerful energy (and needed in these fiercely divided times). The outright, full-on spiritual or therapeutic, as opposed to “almost spiritual” and sort of inward or in the moment! There’s a world of Hestia women (including me) who are so Buddhist/Zen, of energy and sometimes of formal practice, that we have spent years working it and developing it (this archetypal thing) to the point that we can (sometimes) walk with that energy almost anywhere and “shapeshift” with it for rapport, for deep listening, and for professional roles of facilitation or healing (for example Mediator — I was a professional Mediator for years from community issues to court cases to the teamsters in a major American city, and loved holding that safe space for others while firmly facilitating a process that stayed on track for the benefit of all sides, as well as for real outcomes of conflict resolution and forward movement as reached by the parties themselves, not imposed by moi).
Second thought, check the pronunciation of Jean Shinoda Bolen’s last name. Pretty sure it’s BOWL’ in. I took an online course with her (through the Shift Network) and have viewed a number of interviews and presentations on youtube, which is a good place to verify the name.
She’s wonderful and I’m thrilled to see her work here!
I love, respect, and admire the work you two do on PH — SO much!! It’s really an Intuitive Awakening. Thanks again.
I think it’s awesome you’ve taken online courses with Bolen.
I agree with you – Hestia qualities can be attributed to the other spiritual components. But I think there’s something important about remembering the housekeeping element. In modern (and post-modern) culture it’s so easy to marginalize, yet still important to many women.
Thanks for adding to the discussion. I love when Hestia women are assertive. 🙂
I’m wondering if certain personality types have a tendency to show up more in each of the goddess archetypes? I’m an INFJ female and while listening to the podcast strongly identified with Hestia. While I don’t always embrace that I’m more of a Hestia, I can’t deny that this is type of energy resonates with me. I’m curious if this might be a common theme across types?
I was wondering about that too, or if not personality types then cognitive functions. I know Antonia mentioned a few during the podcast like Introverted and Extroverted thinking.
Personally, when Antonia talked about Artemis types following an ‘inner light’, that sounded very Authenticity-like (Introverted Feeling) to me. But maybe I’m biased as an INFP.
I was also wondering if Antonia and Joel seemed hesitant about mentioning Myers-Briggs because they wanted to talk about this system in isolation, rather than marry it with Myers-Briggs (at least in the beginning).
I would type the Goddesses as follows:
Artemis (ISTP): Quite logical and rational, has her own way of doing things, finds meaning within herself, not defined by external logic or external standards of success, makes her own path in life based on what is personally meaningful and makes sense to her, loves to explore and is very curious (Ti), quite the athlete, great at physical activities, a nature child deeply in touch with everything the wilderness has to offer (Se), will fight for her personal goals and has some insight into other people but not much focused on the future (Ni), is very sensitive to others’ needs, quite the social justice warrior, tends to bond with and protect the underdog, which sometimes includes young vulnerable children, quite caring despite she leads with logic, she still needs to get in touch with her emotions and her vulnerable side (Fe).
Athena (INTJ): Quite the strategist, very future oriented, understands patterns and nuances many others might not notice, able to predict outcomes accurately (Ni), interested in intellectual and logical pursuits and very rational, but more focused on objective principles and standards of success (Te), not quite in touch with her emotions but they still run deep (Fi), not very grounded in the physical world, not in touch with her body, mostly focuses on the mind (Se).
Hestia (ISFJ): Very inner focused, has a personal inner world which shapes all of her views and her meaning, very contained and focused on working and taking care of home tasks (Si), very warm even though quite distant due to her introversion but is nonetheless focused on taking care of others’ needs and of making an inviting and cozy atmosphere at home (Fe), has her own logic and way of seeing things, doesn’t need external standards to tell her what is meaningful, as she derives meaning from her own conclusions and what makes sense to her (Ti), hasn’t got ambitions and isn’t much interested in intellectual conversations or things that go beyond what is personally meaningful to her (Ne).
Hera (ESTJ): defined by external objective standards of success, wants to manage and take charge of some of her partner’s business, wants to make sure their marriage is advantageous (Te), very traditional in her views, very concerned with taking care of wifely tasks, has her own way of seeing things (Si), sees lots of potential in her husband and children and wants them to become the best they can be (Ne), is too focused on external things to take good care of her emotions, might not realize her marriage isn’t as good as she thinks unless she takes time to reflect and think of how it is affecting her emotionally (Fi).
Demeter (ESFJ): a definite mother hen, constantly taking care of others’ needs to the point she might neglect her own (Fe), has traditional views when it comes to marriage and children, has a connection with the earth and all that is slow, steady and constant (Si), doesn’t expect too much of her children, only to see them happy, and she’s willing to give up her own life goals to focus on her family (Ne), needs to realize it’s rational and not selfish to take care of her own needs when she has to, otherwise she won’t be as capable of caring for others since she’ll be tired and burnt out (Ti).
Persephone (INFJ): has a connection with all things mystical and mysterious, sees beyond the surface and is deeply intuitive (Ni), needs others to take care of her, quite outspoken about her emotions, knows how to tell her mom what she wants to hear, very sensitive, needs affirmation from others (Fe), once she descends to the Underworld, she becomes more rational and capable of making decisions for herself, she doesn’t stop to question the consequences that eating Hades’ berries might bring (Ti), not much grounded, very focused on her inner life of daydreams instead of on the physical world, more in touch with her senses after she descends to the Underworld (Se).
Aphrodite (ESFP): Very sensual, loves to be in touch with the physical world around her and is responsive to it (Se), doesn’t really care what others think of her multiple affairs, follows her own path, is in touch with her own emotions and that allows her to express them in beautiful and artful ways (Fi), is able to establish boundaries between her and other people, never dependent on anyone, knows how to take care of herself though she doesn’t stop and think much about the consequences of her actions and is more emotional than rational (Te), doesn’t give much thought to the future and doesn’t really have many ambitions, she lives in the present (Ni).
As for what functions are more characteristic of each Goddess (and thus people with these functions higher in their stack might identify more with them), I would say their dominant and auxiliary functions. As can be observed, Virgin Goddesses seem to be introverted while most Vulnerable Goddesses are extroverted:
Athena: Introverted Intuition (Ni), Extroverted Thinking (Te).
Artemis: Introverted Thinking (Ti), Extroverted Sensing (Se).
Hestia: Introverted Sensing (Si), Extroverted Feeling (Fe).
Hera: Extroverted Thinking (Te), Introverted Sensing (Si).
Demeter: Extroverted Feeling (Fe), Introverted Sensing (Si).
Persephone: Introverted Intuition (Ni), Extroverted Feeling (Fe).
Aphrodite: Extroverted Sensing (Se), Introverted Feeling (Fi).
Hope this helps anyone wondering about this, I agree with Antonia in her association of Artemis and Athena with Introverted and Extroverted Thinking respectively.
Very insightful podcast, can’t wait to listen to the next one. 🙂
I’m also an INFJ that relates to Hestia.
I’m an INFJ 4w5 and relate to Persephone.
Using Greek mythology in type?! This sounds awesome! Can’t wait to listen!