ISTP Personality Type Interview (with Klaus Schepers) | Podcast 0422
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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk with Profiler Training alumni, Klaus Schepers about his lived experience during this ISTP personality type interview.
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In this podcast you’ll find:
- Guest host Klaus Schepers joins.
- Download our ISTP Personality Type Handy Guide to learn the ISTP functions.
- Klaus tells us about himself and where he is at in life.
- How did Klaus discover type and learn he was an ISTP?
- Why did Klaus previously think he was a different type?
- How does Klaus experience the future?
- How has this changed after discovering his type?
- How Klaus uses type-based personal growth to bring the best version of himself to his Personality Type Consultation sessions.
- How does Klaus’ Accuracy (Ti) Driver and Sensation (Se) Copilot functions appear together?
- Klaus and Antonia talk about what it’s like to use Accuracy (Ti) as your main decision-making process.
- How Accuracy (Ti) and Harmony (Fe) approach group consensus.
- Klaus shares a hack he learned to access his Harmony (Fe) 3-Yr-Old function.
- Which ISTP stereotypes does Klaus identify and not identify with?
- What advice would Klaus give to anyone struggling to find their type?
- Klaus shares some final thoughts on his Harmony (Fe) 3-Yr-Old function.
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I’m another ISTP mistyped as an INTJ. I could relate to several things on the episode.
One thing is that, I find conflict difficult as well. I’ve looked into enneagram as well and my current guess there is type 9 which is said to be a body-type that isn’t very well in touch with the body. This seems to be in accordance with the suggestion of developing one’s SE.
Interesting episode. How literal should we take what you say that people with Fe in their “car” are the ones who feel bad viscerally when there’s conflict among others? Is it a 1:1 ratio, so that it could even be used as a strong indicator in a test, or was it more a case of the “intuitive speculations” that you two often warn us that you’re doing?
I certainly recognize that feeling in myself, although I barely recognize the description of Ti at all, and earlier I have come to think more and more that I’m Te/Fi polarity.
Most people dislike conflict and discord. The visceral component for Fe is the function’s tendency to absorb the feelings of others. When Fe is further down the stack, it makes it easier to be either unaware of discord or intentionally/unintentionally cause it in service of Ti expression. (A ‘truth’ that needs to be stated / information people need to hear, or a misjudgment of how Ti humor will land.) But if the xxTP is aware of conflict, and there was no “Ti” to champion, it can feel particularly uncomfortable since bringing discord to harmony tends to be a strength of Fe, which the xxTP may or may not have clocked time developing.
For types that use Fi/Te, they are most likely to become ‘viscerally’ uncomfortable when they can personalize the feelings of 1) a misinterpretation of intent OR 2) somehow feeling culpable / hypocritical. The conflict may or may not personally include them. An example would be watching someone get called out for ‘bad behavior’ and either identifying with the behavior, or identifying with how awful it is to be ‘called out’ (feeling most people are too quick to judge). Fi may also feel embarrassed in behalf of someone in the conflict.
For Fe, avoiding conflict is often avoiding absorbing other’s emotions, for Fi it’s avoiding calling up uncomfortable feelings inside the self.
-A-
Thanks! That’s excellent differentiation information for trying to find one’s type. Further ‘points’ toward Te/Fi now then, if I understand it correctly. (Which I’m not completely certain of – comparing this description with myself in different situations isn’t straightforward (association brings up images of trying to align overhead projector film masks with sheets of paper to try to find some cipher thing or similar…))
One of the worst feelings for me in this kind of example would be when someone is falsely accused. Further worsened by not being believed when telling the truth*, and transformed from ‘unidentified terrible feeling’ to boiling directed anger at the ‘framer’ if it’s someone being framed.
*Real, objective truth, like if someone did or didn’t do something.
Once again, thanks!
This is my absolute favorite series on Personality Hacker. There’s just something about talking to a real live human being (of any type) and observing their responses, tone of voice etc. that brings a whole world of additional understanding. It really allows you to understand personality types at a deep level compared to just discussing them in an abstract, generalized way.
It surprises me that as an INFP I can relate to a lot of Klaus’ experience as an ISTP. Long distance relationship that exists more in your imagination than reality- been there done that! Having a political change of heart and fearing social repercussions. Even being mistyped as INTJ and not fitting in with MBTI stereotype. As an INFP I personally rebel against the “artist” stereotype. However I can be very artistic when I want to and it comes very naturally. I’ve just never really wanted to be an artist. I think Antonia is probably right when she suspects that Klaus may take to mechanical stuff easily if he tried.
One last comment- Klaus’ description of the role of Ti and Fe in society, that while the Fe role of harmonizing and maintaining consensus is undoubtedly important, Ti is there to “update the consensus”. Just beautifully put in the crystal clear and concise Ti fashion!
I find this very interesting i am an INFP could not relate to it, I understood what he was saying did you relate to the ISFP.. Just interested that is all.
I thought I should relate a lot more to the ISFP podcast too- while I enjoyed it I certainly related a lot more to the ISTP one. I think it has a lot more to do with similar experiences rather than anything type specific. Learning not to live disconnected from reality is something that likely affects all introvert types.
I think one big similarity between ISTP and INFP is the independent streak of the dominant Fi, Ti functions. The refusal to be pushed around. It’s not an obvious, aggressive kind of independence but at the end of the day I will only do something when it feels right to me. Anything else I quietly ignore! I also think there’s a kind of natural overlap between Fi and Ti interests- Ti is ultimately focused on getting at the truth, Fi is always conscious of justice- and there can be no justice with out truth. At least that’s how I look at it.
I also relate to Klaus’ experience of letting go of the anxiety caused by tertiary Ni and focusing on his Se copilot to be more in the moment. My experience is slightly different of course. Fundamentally I am learning to walk away from the anxious Si 10 year old boy in my head gets a bit obsessive about following the rules and freaks out about anything unknown or unsafe. When I embrace my Ne co-pilot and get a rise of excitement thinking about all the possibilities out there, the fear melts away.
My FI is aggressive not on the outside always. FI cares hole hearted.
FI can respond quick and aggressive if challenged out of the blue i thought the ISFP was spot on with her description also getting stressed to get the job done i would have thought you would feel this power.
My NE as designed a few places it looks in the the building visualises the job and i do it not write or draw a plan unless i need to show it. SI keeps me grounded i would say more rooted gives value to life past and present i can remember vivid moments not often. TE i have started to do research reading a lot more .
How can we be INFPs ?
Sorry just adding i use NI a lot i plan the future all the time i live there and it is always better than the present even though the present is good. When i play poker i am sure my FI feels an FEs emotion i can read them like a book. I truly struggle more with reading TI when playing poker its a tricky function i think its a bit manipulative would not think its like FI i do not know i am just making it up a little i am just thinking two INFPs should see the functions the same. Should they not
All types have all 8 functions. It’s more a question of which ones you have more mastery of. I definitely relate to the experience of getting stressed out to get the job done – except once. This one time was an event that I strongly believed in, right down to my soul and I actually volunteered to run it. That was the one time I had no trouble at all of getting into action, supervising people, getting in front of an audience, dealing with several major problems. It was a beautiful example of my inferior Te serving my dominant Fi.
In terms of using Ni to plan for the future I certainly do that – but I’m not good at it! I’m not good at accurately forecasting what’s coming in the future. So I usually just make general plans so that I have something to work towards but along the way I may change course if life takes me there. I am much better at Ne. Whereas my mom who is an ENTJ is really good at Ni. She can accurately predict things 10 years down the line and I have personally seen her be absolutely spot on.
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These podcasts are very insightful the way you relate with one not the other. I am a sceptic of everything and a believer of any possibility. Why are the cognitive functions so obvious.
ISTPs almost intuitive they take forever with their reply when talking about something abstract. I think most of them think they are INTJ.
I think I might be an ISTP after listening to this. I have been confused for many years.
Klaus, thank you so much for sharing your insights and growth journey. I feel like this conversation has lent indescribable insight to my Ni for understanding better and interacting with ISTP’s in my life. So appreciate what this conversation has to offer the universe. Plus, I just love, love hearing Ti-doms talk…my baby Ti was having a ball. Really neat!
“this conversation seems like a flow” oh no shit, you talk to two Ne doms. Your dominant Ni is connecting. god damn, this is really annoying…
sorry but either this dude is an INTJ or I’m an ISTP, too. he described NiFi loops in my 20s to a tee. I imagined the future, fell in love with it and was disappointed about the real world messing it up over and over again. As I’m getting more in touch with TeSe and actually come up with concrete sytematic solutions for my problems, I’m actually getting closer to my Ni vision.
also the way he speaks about society as a system is very much NiTe. guys… double check your interviewees. This dude developed his Se inferior and now he’s peacocking it.
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Female ISTP here. I related somewhat to Klaus. I find that I really relate to the way he expresses himself. It was a little hard for me to follow his thoughts and I was really surprised when Antonia commended his expressiveness. I feel like I am also hard to follow in conversations and it’s one of my least favorite traits. Most of the time I’ll just say “nevermind, forget it” because I don’t feel like trying to find the words or even know where to begin to express myself fully. So I guess in that sense it is commendable that Klaus found his words and didn’t just exit the conversation (as I would have LOL). Anyway, thanks for the ISTP-focused material today!
you describe my ISTP dad perfectly. when he feels like his logic will not be understood, ge keeps it to himself. Klaus doesn’t seem like that at all.
Klaus is an INTJ. Stop deleting the comments that actually see the truth.
Comments from newer posters require approval. All of these posts were awaiting approval, which I have just done.
As far as the rest of your comments about Klaus’s type et all… Let’s just say they show the same carefulness of thinking that led to assuming your posts were being deleted.
-A-
I saw them, then I didn’t see them anymore. My main comment is still “awaiting moderation”. Given that I know how you especially dislike people in the type community telling others that they’re mistyped, the intuitive leap is not a hard one to make.
If somebody’s running around wrongfully thinking their type is one, when it’s really another, it doesn’t help anybody. These people come across as fake and tryhard and their development is lead into the wrong direction.
None of your comments are awaiting moderation. My pattern recognition tells me that you copy/pasted a comment when it was awaiting approval and so you’re seeing “Your comment is awaiting moderation” because it was part of your copy/paste.
I have an ethic around not deleting people’s comments unless I perceive them as malicious.
-A-
This series is really interesting!
I love listening to the experience of the types.
I know a few ISTPs.. and .. Klaus sounded to me like an ISFP with and somewhat an avoident attachment style. For which detachment for feeling due to attachment trauma could easily result in the person typed as an introverted thinker.
I am no pro in non of the fields as an under estimation. But i was the entire interview surprised by Klaus description of experiences and thoughts that he would a Ti driver. Felt very Fi.
Though you guys are more of experts i wonder how aware are you to how trauma or attachment trauma affect mistyping ?
And adding
i love love love your discussions! And listening to you!
One thing I glean from this episode is that ISTPs, probably generally, would dislike conflict and be respectful in this regard.
So where does the common stereotype of them being mean pranksters, trolls, creating drama, only second to ESTPs, come from? Mass mistyping? Immaturity?
I would say that Klaus has done a lot of growth work, which is why he doesn’t fall into easy ISTP stereotypes.
Unhealthy versions of any type can become idea viruses due to their obviousness, aka The Heartless Businessman ENTJ, The Nosy Mom ESFJ, etc… Healthy versions of a type are usually more balanced, laid back, don’t have as much to prove, and don’t appear so one-sided.
-A-
sorry but either this dude is an INTJ or I’m an ISTP, too. he described NiFi loops in my 20s to a tee. I imagined the future, fell in love with it and was disappointed about the real world messing it up over and over again. As I’m getting more in touch with TeSe and actually come up with concrete sytematic solutions for my problems, I’m actually getting closer to my Ni vision.
also the way he speaks about society as a system is very much NiTe. guys… double check your interviewees. This dude developed his Se inferior and now he’s peacocking it.
This was a wonderful interview; thank you, Klaus, for opening up and sharing your experience as this type. One major takeaway I related to that stereotype you had mentioned. The two most prominent xSxPs in my life, one of whom is an ISTP, are both very adept at tools, hand-eye coordination, etc., and I had associated these traits with the Se function to the point of a stereotype. I just want to thank you all — Joel and Antonia for creating the space for the discussions with all these wonderful people, and Klaus, Ines, Tanya, Wendy, Anne, Bridget, and everyone yet to come for sharing your stories and teaching us how to better understand/empathize with all sorts of different people.
-William
Glad you’re enjoying the series!
-A-
I enjoyed this podcast. I think Klaus represented the ISTPs well. I really didn’t have a stereotype in mind for ISTPs. It’s a personality I don’t know as well. So I found it interesting to learn from Klaus about ISTPs with a blank slate.