Personality Types And Uncertainty | Podcast 0435

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  Justine G 2022-05-29

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  The first few minutes was very good, and reminds me of why I keep ‘tuning-in’, but to be honest this is the only podcast I haven’t bothered to listen to the end.

  As you were championing typology as a means of anchoring around certainties, I was ironically thrown out to sea into new type uncertainty, particularly with Joel’s (probably) over-simplifications about the effects of Fi in various ‘positions’.

  I shall give the podcast 3 out of 10, 2 for the intro and 1 for the inclusion of irony.
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    Ryan INFP 2022-05-31

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    What is wrong Justine G.
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      Justine G 2022-06-02

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      Hello Ryan INFP,

      From all that I have gathered, between Personality Hacker and other prominent theorists, Fi (much like Ti) is something that someone with this as the ‘primary function’ typically feels the need to ‘thrash out’, over an indefinite period, perhaps a lifelong process. This is because they require more ‘nuance’ around this function than those who prefer other functions. As a consequence, things like identity, values, feelings and motivations are also worked out with more nuance, for example, with more sensitivity to context, compared to say, someone with Fi in the so-called ‘inferior’ position.

      Thus ironically, sometimes ETJs may have (or believe they have) a more certain view of things like their identity and values than some IFPs, because ETJ views around these things are often more black and white, and less open to question.

      Similarly, it is unlikely an IFP will come ‘out the box’ already with a clear idea of all of their own and other people’s motivations. How quickly they will come to master this skill will also vary a lot between individuals. Yet again, ETJs may believe they understand motivations better than they actually do, while IFPs often maintain more uncertainty around it as they are still working it all out.

      I do respect what PH are doing so apologise for being negative about a podcast you enjoyed.
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        Ryan INFP 2022-06-02

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        I fully agree with your comment but did i miss something.
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          Justine G 2022-06-03

          Joel appeared to be saying that we had certainty around anything connected with our primary function, and gave Fi as an example (e.g. values, motivations etc.).
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          Ryan INFP 2022-06-03

          Yes but its not a comparison of type as an individual its the function that your most confident with you will be most certain with.. I suppose. This is comment that was wrote on here i think it relates to what your saying.I think all introverted functions (Si, Fi, Ti, Ni) look for reductionist answers to things, and reductionism likes to boil things down to their simplest parts.

          The extroverted functions (Ne, Se, Fe, Te), by contrast, look at outcomes. Outcomes can be infinite. And if the outcomes are not infinite, they are at least not the sum of their parts, and for that reason, complex.

          Take the game of chess. Trying to understand how the game works in a reductionist fashion by understanding what pieces are available and how the pieces are allowed to move is pretty simple, straightforward and definable.

          Trying to understand how the game works by understanding all the different possible plays…well, its difficult and not straightforward; there are more possible outcomes in chess than atoms in the universe. This why we can teach a computer how to play the game of chess but not how to always win.

          Its from our introverted functions that we derive something solid and unchanging to anchor ourselves to, such as memories and traditions, morals and values, facts and symbols.

          Its from our extroverted functions that we understand the game play of life.

          People with dominant Ni find comfort in anchoring themselves to reductionist time, which is why don’t have the NP struggle of thinking of a million ways something could happen. Once we figure out what the most likely thing is, its very hard to budge or imagine another possibility.
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  Ryan INFP 2022-05-25

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  Great podcast. I am not sure uncertainty exists with in ones self if we think about it we can let go of it. Failure is that not why people are uncertain. NE i think loves a challenge so it likes to fix uncertainty. Feelings and uncertainty. Most of the way people think is just a social network. For instance not every one gets jealous. I am uncertain when i have to jump a hole when i am pressurised by a group i get nervous which makes me uncertain. Virtually anything in the presents of human beings but my core being something in my head is always certain. Uncertainty creates curiosity. Nice one.
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  Michael Bosman 2022-05-18

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  I’m an INTJ which that has been on a personal discovery over last 18 months about mbti (what a game changer) and have seen first hand how it can really be done when i’ve met introverted feeling and extraverted sensing dominant types and have now kind of resigned to just letting things be with my inferior and tertiary cognitive functions, yes i can try to get really good at using them but at the cost of allowing less time for my strengths to be used. I’ve heard a saying: Aim to improve the weakest part of yourself and you’re aiming for average, focus on your unique strengths and you can really go places.

  I like the idea of levels of certainty being assigned to the hero through to inferior functions, it’s an interesting angle especially when looking at being too confident in our hero function and getting caught out from time to time. I believe in another aspect of say energy levels of our cognitive functions where the hero function can be used all day with barely any mental energy expenditure and our inferior function takes a lot of mental energy to use, sure we can get good at our inferior but using it drains us faster. I’m wondering what your thoughts are on that?

  I already have problems staying out of grip stress from an overly activated inferior extraverted sensing in this busy loud crazy world so i’m quite fine for others to take care of things i’m naturally weaker at and would prefer to just stick to strengths of strategizing and getting things done, besides i’m sure the world could reach higher potential if the majority of people stopped trying to fit in and be similar and instead focused on their unique strengths instead of rounding out their weaknesses.

  Also I Stumbled across the podcasts and Youtube videos lately and especially love the dissection and analysis of topics and how it is presented in a thought provoking way that gives rise to alternate viewpoints I haven’t conceived yet. I find myself challenging my world view in some aspect everytime i listen. very well done guys, keep up the awesome work!

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