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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about how our culture tends to resist maps and models of human development due to the threats it poses to our ideals.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Ability to handle feedback can be a personal growth challenge.
  • We objectify people in media.
  • The Graves Model (aka Spiral Dynamics) is a vertical model.
  • It feels like a hierarchy which is icky to some people.
  • Is it a bad thing to look at hierarchical models?
  • Graves Model podcast
  • Vertical and Horizontal Models
  • These are just lenses to see reality through.
  • The horizontal model assumes everyone is at the same level of development (MBTI).
  • A Vertical Model assumes everyone is at different levels of achievement (Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs).
  • Clare Graves discovered the Graves Model.
  • Then there was an attempt to remove the hierarchical nature of it.
  • The numbered levels were changed to colors to make it feel less hierarchical, and it came to be known as Spiral Dynamics.
  • It is a hierarchical system, however.
  • A horrible human being can be at any level just like an amazing human being can be at any level.
  • Character isn’t related to Graves Level.
  • It is an attempt to see where we were and where we are going.
  • Are hierarchical models good or bad?
  • Enneagram attempts to create distinctions between how people show up within their Enneagram type.
  • Riso & Hudson Enneagram book had 9 point system within each type.
  • At the bottom of this 9 point system is suicide and homicidal tendencies.
  • At the top is transcendence.
  • That version of the system is hierarchical.
  • It is a good gauge for determining where you want to go vs. where you don’t want to be.
  • No one has arrived. There is no end game.
  • These hierarchical models are like a compass.
  • Be at peace with where you’re at and accept there is still a better version of yourself you can manifest.
  • This is the conversation of our time.
  • Lots of social causes today: memes, gender viewpoints, wealth distribution, nationalism, etc.
  • We tend to inject vertical models into horizontal models.
  • Even within Myers-Briggs, we try to create a hierarchical structure.
  • Zero to One Podcast
  • SPOILER ALERT: Star Wars The Last Jedi
  • The Force is available to everyone, which killed the hierarchy of the Jedi.
  • We get a massive pushback whenever we invoke a vertical model.
  • You are ultimately the person who navigates your healing and growth.
  • How do we get us all on a horizontal level, so we all have the same possibilities?
  • Personal empowerment is the birthplace of reform.
  • The more you work on your empowerment, the more the culture sees the need to change.
  • We oversimplify all this stuff which is why we like models because it gives us a simpler way of breaking down the nodes that contribute to the system.
  • As an individual, we are responsible for our personal growth and empowerment.
  • Models remind us that nobody has arrived. We are all on various paths.
  • Time and the universe aren’t going to stop to accommodate us.
  • Sometimes we have to start all over, and we don’t get rewarded for some of our hard work.
  • The universe rewards determination, persistence, and personal responsibility.
  • We cannot expect culture to do our work for us.
  • If you don’t want to be perpetually victimized you have to figure out how not to be a victim.
  • Our egos don’t do us any favors.
  • “All models are wrong, but some are useful.”
  • When looking at maps and models, the question isn’t ‘Is this wrong.’ It is ‘Is this useful.
  • Don’t abandon a model just because your ego gets triggered and you don’t like how it feels.
  • If that happens, that makes it a very useful model.
  • It is shining a bright light in a dark place.
  • “I don’t like this because I don’t like where I’m at.”
  • It is your job to figure out where you want to be.
  • A lot of systems have been democratized and there is an expectation that everything should be democratized.
  • Not everything can be democratized.
  • One of the best ways to understand our You Are Here dot as humanity is to look at long enough timelines.
  • Forgetting history is easy.
  • The world didn’t start when you were born.
  • We are on an exponential growth curve, but we haven’t arrived.
  • Human evolution is incredibly slow.
  • You can tell when someone is doing personal growth willingly and when they are doing it unwillingly.
  • When someone’s life has fallen apart, and they have to do growth work just to survive. They may approach growth kicking and screaming.
  • Versus someone who has taken on the mantle of personal growth and does it willingly. They have a zen-like approach to change.
  • Our collective egos are bucking against where we are really at.
  • We don’t like it when reality gives us harsh reminders of how much work we still have to do.
  • Isn’t it better to have a map even if you don’t like where your You Are Here dot is?
  • The only way to get to where we want to be is to acknowledge where we are at and carve a path to where we want to be.
  • If you have some definite ideas about how you think the world should be, grab a microphone and create a platform.
  • Create content that moves the needle.
  • Stand for something don’t just stand against things.

 In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about how our culture tends to resist maps and models of human development due to the threats it poses to our ideals. #podcast #personaldevelopment #personalgrowth #gravesmodel #spiraldynamics

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27 comments

  • Joel Mark Witt
    • Joel Mark Witt
    • April 30, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    Thanks for the feedback Sean. We agree. It’s all kind of a distraction from the core conversation… which is… how do we grow as people no matter which model/level/zone/etc we identify with.

    Thank you for listening and being involved here :-)

  • Sean
    • Sean
    • April 30, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    In regards to the graves model level you guys are at: I don’t get any feel for you guys intending to be bragging about what level your at. However, I listen to your “Graves Model” podcasts often and was able to gauge your level in the model by time stamp. In a 2014 podcast you say your both 6’s. In a January 2017 podcast (last 5 minutes) Antonia mentions she was in a transition of levels for the past year and a half. So mid 2015ish?….after the 2014 podcast…would mean you transitioned from 6 to another level.
    I’m only responding to your question in the podcast cause you specifically asked. I knew this answer already when I listened to the previous podcast you mentioned, but didn’t feel it was relevant to the point you were making. ?

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