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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about developing thinking as an ISTJ, INTJ, ENTP, or ESTP.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Car Model article
  • Car Model Podcast
  • Why We Resist Developing The Co-Pilot In Our Personality
  • INTJs & ISTJs copilot is Extraverted Thinking (Te)
  • ENTPs & ESTPs copilot is Introverted Thinking (Ti)
  • Driver process is perceiving. Open framed. Learning. Gathering info.
  • Copilot is for judging the info and getting into action.
  • INTJ/ISTJ
  • ISTJs Driver is Introverted Sensing “Memory”
  • INTJs Driver is Introverted Intuition “Perspectives”
  • Copilot for both types is Extraverted Thinking “Effectiveness”
  • ITJs may use Te in a single-minded focused way.
  • There may seem to be more ROI with such single-minded focus, but it doesn’t help you learn all the skills that come with Te.
  • Gifts Te gives ITJs:
    • Set up a streamlined system
    • Project mgmt
    • Leadership skills
    • Delegations skills
    • Resource mgmt,
    • talent scouting,
  • Challenges:
    • IJs hate to feel vulnerable
    • Te is designed to metricize things in the outside world
    • pass/fail metrics
    • Thinking = failure points
  • Te = failure points in the outer world. Between systems that are running.
  • “How hard can I push on this until it breaks?”
  • This is helpful in the long run because it allows ITJs to find failure points in all systems, even relationships.
  • Tweak the system until it runs beautifully without continuous effort
  • Feedback mechanisms Te relies on is a big sticking point for ITJs
  • When developing our copilot the challenge is to not use copilot in service of 10 yr old.
  • 10 yr old is the same attitude as the driver.
  • 10 yr old needs to serve the copilot. Not the other way around.
  • ITJs 10 yr old is Introverted Feeling Fi
  • Fi is very tied to the ego. To how things make you feel.
  • Exposing self to feedback may bring feedback that the system failed.
  • Failure is painful to Fi.
  • ITJ builds worlds where they want to feel good all the time.
  • The ideal is that the ITJ become Addicted to metricized feedback. Even the bad feedback.
  • Take ideas the ITJ gets from their driver and make them in the outside world to move the needle and get things done, then allow the 10 yr old to tell you when something you are doing is right.
  • It isn’t about you. It is about the thing you just built.
  • It is easy to allow the 10 yr old to convince you of your failure before you even try because you think you can see how it will fail.
  • Don’t allow authenticity to be a failure point before you get started
  • Don’t Self-sabotage
  • Your assumptions may not be accurate
  • Use Fi to provide artistic flair to the things you construct in the outside world.
  • ITJs can create synthetic self-esteem and never truly challenge themselves – which means there is self-doubt mixed in with the artificial self-esteem
  • Better to build your self-esteem on actual, measurable, tangible results. Then it’s real.
  • When you figure out the failure points through real-world action, you can see more sophisticated systems layered on, like people systems.
  • You can scale the effectiveness process the more you exercise and master it.
  • You can be the leader you want to be
  • You can also become more responsive to the challenges of life
  • Introverts tend to put things off until they feel ready and/or comfortable
  • Effectiveness reminds you to tether yourself to timelines in the real world
  • To master the self-leadership of Te, do these exercises:
  • (These are extraverted exercises because it is an extraverted function)
  • Identify one area of your life you want to improve, like dropping 10 pounds.
  • Set a realistic metricized goal with mile markers. Like 1.5 lbs per week.
  • Put it into action by getting all the necessary tools. (Jogging shoes, gym membership, calorie counting app, etc. Must be intuitive and easy to use.)
  • Find somebody to keep you accountable (trainer, friend, social media post – whatever is the most uncomfortable option)
  • Put mile markers in front of you with a chart or an announcement on social media
  • Weigh yourself every day and record it – on social media if it will keep you accountable.
  • External engagement is absolutely necessary!
  • Do things based on the metrics you’re getting rather than on how you’re feeling.
  • “I’ve committed to this external marker. I have to stick to it.”
  • Don’t deviate to adjust your feelings. Only deviate if you need to adjust your metrics.
  • Check in with your feelings after you have succeeded, or failed.
  • Get all the metrics in and adjust accordingly.
  • Introverted Thinking (Ti) Copilot – ENTP & ESTP
  • Ti – Accuracy
  • Internal metrics and failure points in your ways of thinking
  • Ti needs to be able to call bullshit on their inaccurate thoughts.
  • ETPs can tend to weaponize this against others
  • The biggest challenge is finding the logical inconsistencies in themselves
  • Cognitive dissonance can be painful but being able to recognize it keeps them from living lives of quiet desperation
  • “Are the actions I am taking logical? Should I be taking them?”
  • Consequences come with actions but behaving in congruence with personal integrity you won’t trap yourself in painful situations.
  • Dishonoring your truth = pain and cognitive dissonance
  • Acting in alignment with integrity = you make decisions that lead to your happiness
  • Ti gives you focus and mastery
  • Hyperfocused
  • People of this type become the world’s greatest athletes because they are hyperfocused on mastery
  • ETPs like connecting with other people and can be tempted to get into trolling behavior
  • Putting out a precision idea to get people riled
  • Can also be used to attack other people’s flawed thinking
  • Get clear with yourself first then add compassion to your truths, so they are easier to accept
  • We tend to have our copilot serve our 10-year-old function
  • ETPs can be so desperate for connection they may make fun of other people, become people pleasers, or drama creators.
  • Ti can do mental aikido by out-arguing everyone else.
  • People welcome complete truths
  • Partial truths aren’t helpful
  • Partial truths are only true part of the time. So they are limited.
  • The complete truth is that some things are contradictory
  • Complete truths are restful to people
  • Remove the partial truths and share the complete truth with kindness by using Extraverted Feeling.
  • Lots of comedians use humor to share their truths.
  • Exercises for Ti:
  • This is an Introverted exercise
  • Go into your mind and look for thoughts and beliefs you haven’t been scrutinizing carefully
  • Could be religious, political, familial, or thoughts about yourself
  • If I look at this thought critically will it survive an honest analysis?
  • Ask relevant questions:
  • How do I know this to be true?
  • Where did I pick this info up?
  • What would happen if I stopped believing it?
  • What else would I have to look at critically if I let this one go?
  • You may not have to change your belief, but you need to get good at surgically looking at these beliefs.
  • Then ask why it makes sense to you to hold on to such a thought.
  • Is it attached to your ego?
  • Or do you think it will damage relationships?
  • Write down the results.
  • Regardless of how others feel, what is your truth?
  • Abandoning someone else’s beliefs isn’t betrayal.
  • Redesign your life to be more ergonomic to your type. Most of us have not done this.
  • Mastering your copilot will make changes to your life.
  • Expose your deficiencies to the outside world and see if you are on the right track.
  • These aren’t small changes which is why we avoid addressing them, but the rewards are real.
  • Build real competency through your copilot and the self-doubt will go away.

In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about developing thinking as an ISTJ, INTJ, ENTP, or ESTP. #INTJ #ISTJ #ESTP #ENTP #MBTI

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24 comments

  • Sal
    • Sal
    • October 4, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    Hi Alexis and other folks out here, re “developing Te in relation to your family or friends”, you may want to try reading the books of Arbinger Institute: Leadership and Self-deception and Anatomy of Peace.

  • Desi
    • Desi
    • July 2, 2018 at 1:43 am

    This was the single best PH podcast I have ever listened to (and I’ve listened to a lot of your podcasts). I loved the concreteness of it (conceptually speaking). Thank you for this!

    Desi INTJ

  • Alex Warren
    • Alex Warren
    • June 29, 2018 at 11:58 pm

    Excellent podcast although I can’t help but skip over the sections that don’t directly pertain to my personality. I’m an ENTP. I wanted to speak to this idea of being willing to use your Introverted intuition to make changes in your life. I feel like I’ve become known as being inconsistent. I evaluate things and make radical changes frequently and it drives people crazy. I know that we must be true to what we believe but if we are constantly evaluating and changing, at what point do we stop?

  • Alexis Johnson
    • Alexis Johnson
    • June 26, 2018 at 1:18 am

    Hi there,
    I’m an INTJ, and PH has really helped me develop a system that works for me; I’ve stopped just thinking of ideas, and I’m actually accomplishing them.

    The best advice I’ve gleaned from PH and experience are:

    - Read Getting Things Done and other productivity books, but actually do something besides read productivity books. (If I listen to a podcast or read an article I like, I create a mini project with action items for myself to do).

    - Create a place to keep ideas that pop into your mind. I use Evernote, and any time I get an idea (a gift for my husband, a random item to pack, a classroom idea) I leave myself a note to reference when the date arrives. Then when the event comes, I’ve had a year of ruminating and I feel prepared. I don’t need to rely on Sensation to think of a great gift off the cuff.

    -If a task takes 2 minutes or less, just do it now.

    - Set meet-ups with people regularly, about 2 times a week or more. Older people especially are a great resource, don’t let their expertise go to waste.

    - Decision fatigue is a true problem for me by the end of the day. Make every decision the night before if possible (especially the boring monotonous ones). What to wear, what to eat, what time to leave. That leaves more energy for creative decisions.

    - I hate doing chores and cleaning. But putting on a podcast while I do chores makes it much more bearable.

    - Nothing sucks me into a loop faster than failing. When I do something and I fail, I suddenly start saying I’m a failure. It becomes about me and not about the project. The best way to get out is to bring metrics back into the equation. As soon as I bring numbers back in, then I’m out of the loop.

    Those are some ways I’ve developed Te. It’s still a bit of a one-trick-pony for me (notice these are mostly introverted activities). But developing Effectiveness has certainly moved the needle.

    I’m still struggling a little when it comes to family and friends. I haven’t gotten to the point where I can lead them or implement a system without them getting offended 50% of the time.

    -Any suggestions for developing Te in relation to your family or friends?

  • Antonia Dodge
    • Antonia Dodge
    • June 25, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    I would imagine that falling into that particular struggle would far more likely be a manifestation of 3 Year Old Se, not Co-Pilot Te.

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