Podcast – Episode 0222 – Your Relationship With Your Intuition

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In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about intuition and how all of us use it in our personality. They discuss the degree to which intuition shows up for you and how to honor it in your life.

In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Intuition is our first love at Personality Hacker
  • Intuitive Awakening
  • Intuition is a perceiving style in the Myers-Briggs system
  • Sensor-based learning looks for reliable, verifiable info.
  • Intuition is advanced pattern recognition; speculating on the observed patterns.
  • Helping Intuitives honor their intuitive processes is near and dear to our hearts.
  • 25% of the world is Intuitive  
  • It may feel like the world doesn’t encourage your Intuitive tendencies.
  • Many Intuitives blend in to appear less different than everyone else.
  • The Introvert movement taught us how differently introverts are wired.
  • It gave Introverts a lot of permission to be different in spite of the worlds tendency to reward Extraversion.
  • Intuitives, like Introverts, have a different experience than the world at large.
  • The world is set up to challenge the Intuitive perspective.
  • We don’t see a lot of acknowledgment that some people are wired to lead with speculative perspectives.
  • Just as there was an Introverted movement, we believe we are headed toward an Intuitive movement.
  • There is not as much scientific info burgeoning around Intuition right now.
  • Intuition hovers in the realm of philosophy.
  • We want to help people understand that all of us have an Intuitive piece that shows up slightly different.
  • What does it mean when Intuition shows up in different seats of the car model?
  • Just because something can’t be measured doesn’t make it untrue. We used to think bacteria didn’t exist because we hadn’t the tools to measure it, but it didn’t prevent it from being a thing that impacted society.
  • If you are looking for hard science, think of these things as philosophies.
  • Open your mind to new ideas.
  • Intuition as a Driver process – INJs and ENPs
  • Intuition in the Driver position means you are filtering everything you experience thru this pattern recognition lens.
  • You thrive on meaning-making and speculation and “what if?” questions.
  • This thinking fuels INJs and ENPs, which sets these types apart from the majority of the world.
  • Intuition as a Driver means you can’t shut it off.
  • When you get pushback from the world, you may have had to fight for the way you think.
  • The world’s pushback is good for the Intuitive process and can help us build it up like a muscle.
  • But not everyone realizes this.
  • They may use their Intuition without spending the time to develop it.
  • There are some schools of thought that believe we don’t have to develop our Driver process.
  • “You don’t have it. It has you.”
  • That’s like saying you don’t have to exercise your body.
  • It is inaccurate.
  • When we exercise our Driver process, we make it a better instrument for use.
  • Feedback from the outside world helps us calibrate our Intuition.
  • Speculative leaps are never 100% correct. They need calibration.
  • Develop a relationship with your Intuition where you understand that it is a big piece of who you are.
  • Become fully self-accepting that you are going to be different from everyone else.
  • Accept the outer world feedback that challenges your intuition to hone it to be its best.
  • Most Intuitive Drivers have found a way to express their Intuition in some specific way.
  • Find ways to expand that in other areas.
  • The better you get at intuition, the more fun it becomes and the less insecure you feel.
  • Intuition as a Copilot process – all ENJs and INPs
  • In the Copilot, ENJs and INPs may tend to marginalize their Intuition until they need it.
  • When Intuition is a Copilot, it needs exercise and development, but it doesn’t give you the fun energetic feel as your Driver process does.
  • As a Copilot, ENJs and INPs can get impatient with their Intuitive process because it takes a lot of work.
  • When the fun stops they drop the tool.
  • ENJs need to slow down to use their Copilot. Recognize they have a bias toward action.
  • INPs need to get brave and get outside of their comfort zone. Recognize they need to waste resource to get the full benefit from Extraverted Intuition.
  • INPs think they can exercise their Intuition by staying indoors and learning something new.
  • That’s not how it works.
  • Have a complete relationship with your Copilot by forcing yourself outside of what feels natural.
  • Intuition as the 10 yr old process – all ESJs and ISPs
  • Our general relationship with our 10 yr old is that we tend to exploit it.
  • It can have some wisdom, but only after we have consulted our Copilot.
  • We tend to use our 10 yr old when we are defensive to validate the Driver’s conclusions.
  • A 10 yr old is easy to manipulate.
  • If the Sensor with tertiary Intuition isn’t careful, they can use “good enough” pattern recognition to rationalize their ideas but not good enough to know how accurate they are.
  • They can use their tertiary Intuition to support speculative leaps that can appear specious.
  • Specious = 10 yr old intuition: it sounds good, but that doesn’t make it true.
  • A better way for ESJs and ISPs to use their tertiary intuition is by adding spice to the conclusions of the Copilot.
  • ISPs can use Intuition to add meaning to the real-time observations of the world.
  • ESJs can use Intuition to add speculations to the real world reliability of their Copilot.
  • Don’t reject the 10 yr old.
  • Don’t exploit it.
  • Use it in a healthy way for insight and creative power.
  • ESJs are very creative when they diversify.
  • ISPs can have extraordinary insight into how the human mind works.
  • But only after they have used their Sensory process first.
  • They become less afraid of Intuitive things when they start using their intuition correctly.
  • 10 yr olds can’t figure out when they can trust themselves and when they can trust other people.
  • ESJs and ISPs Sensory process helps them vet things and become comfortable with their speculation and other people’s speculation.
  • The biggest challenge for ESJs and ISPs is a tendency to over-rely on their tertiary like we all tend to do.
  • When the Copilot gets stronger the 10 yr old gets stronger.
  • Intuition as a 3 yr old process – ISJs and ESPs
  • Our general relationship with the 3 yr old is that it doesn’t feel like us.
  • When Intuition sneaks up on ISJs and ESPs it doesn’t look good.
  • Can often look like paranoia or catastrophizing.
  • Uncomfortable. Impending doom.
  • The healthiest ways a Sensor can use their 3 yr old Intuitive process is through aspiration.
  • There is a strong creative drive with Sensory Drivers.
  • They can use it to add meaning or ask “what if” questions.
  • Your job as a Sensor is not projecting what is coming next or reinventing the wheel.
  • Inferior, 3 yr old Intuition doesn’t have to be scary. It can find meaning in the chaos.
  • Other people’s Intuition doesn’t have to be scary either.
  • Once you have built a skill with something, can you expand it to more of a speculative area?
  • We are all Intuitive.
  • We are all Sensors.
  • It isn’t an Us vs. Them situation.
  • The apparent dichotomy of the 4 letter code of your personality isn’t the end of the story.
  • Intuition is an essential part of the social ecosystem.
  • The technological advancements we are making today require speculative leaps because Intuition built the technology.
  • Intuition is becoming imperative to our modern age.
  • Be open to intuition. It isn’t a threat. It is important to how we grow as a species.
  • What is your relationship to intuition?
  • The world is getting more complex.
  • Understanding the world is going to require some speculative leaps and advanced pattern recognition.
  • A lot of people want an easy to swallow pill to solve their problems.
  • Simple solutions cannot solve complex problems.
  • We need to look at patterns and see what is going on.
  • Intuitives also need to get better at communicating things in ways that can be understood by others.
  • Don’t over-rely on Intuition. Don’t marginalize it.
  • Build a positive relationship with Intuition on an individual level.
  • Take responsibility for honoring your Intuition.

In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about intuition and how all of us use it in our personality. They discuss the degree to which intuition shows up for you and how to honor it in your life. #podcast #intuition #intuitiveawakening #mbti

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  • Lili

    I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast as y’alls passion is extremely contagious. And it’s clear the immense growth both of you have achieved since your earlier podcasts. And thank you so much for keeping those podcasts free of charge.

    Humanity is going through birth pains for sure, and I believe the intuitive few are going to help in bringing full understanding and meaning as tools to ease these pains. And though there’s reluctance in handing over the torch, which is understandable given that the world we live in relies on factual data that can be measured according to the senses.

    So yeah, intuitive movement is happening for sure, quietly but with an incredible force behind it.

  • Hannah Tucker

    56:45-58:19 YASSSSS JOEL

  • Neena

    Thanks! Very interesting and hopeful, I think!

  • Nora Gainey

    I learned a lot and I am listening to some interesting thoughts in my head after the show.

    I know intuitive was what I tested as, but I was not so clear on the implications of that. I also notice that i will come up with solutions that no one else sees, though they seem obvious to me. I also come up with garbage solutions at times. Keeps me humble.

    I don’t always lead with my intuition but I think i need to. The words that feel like it to me are look for the miracle.
    I may listen again if i can find the time.

  • Joel Chandler

    Hi guys! This is Joel Chandler, we met at the Orlando meet up a couple of months ago.

    Ok so my girlfriend Marisa, who is wonderful and I love very much, does this thing where she will make an assertion about something like how a certain situation came about or where she thinks that the plot of a movie is going… and she is almost always wrong…haha. The assertions that she makes usually seem pretty outlandish to me. In those same situations if I were to make a list of what I thought was most likely in order of most to least likely, what would be probably #4 on my list would be #1 on hers.

    At the risk of sounding conceited I think I am pretty good at making those speculative leaps. I think I am very realistic about the variables involved, most importantly the level of confidence that I have in each piece of information. If I am unsure about something I will be totally up front about that with myself and others, but if I am pretty certain about something I will say so and back it up with specific evidence. I also go way out of my way to be transparent (with myself and other people) about my own biases. I feel like Marisa has a hard time seeing her own biases and because of that to some extent I think she makes these intuitive leaps that are often pretty far off. I’ve always felt like her threshold in terms of evidence needed to make an assertion is just really low. I wish that she would take a little more time to vet her ideas.

    I feel like I should ask a question now, but I’m not sure exactly what that would be. I just want to discuss this topic in general…haha. If you have an insights let me know! I hope you are both doing well and I hope to see you at some point at another meet up.

  • Jami Watkins

    ESTJ here. Like Norm mentioned earlier, I’ve also admired deep thinkers and out-of-the box thinkers, and have been discouraged by my “lack of intuition”, especially when I was first becoming acquainted with your car model and realized I have Ne/Exploration as a 10-year old. However, I actually found this podcast episode encouraging, because it so clearly pointed out how wrong I was, and that I’ve been using intuition all my life.

    I happen to be an artist and a musician – which has always puzzled me, considering that’s not what ESTJs are “supposed” to do (gifted at, drawn to, etc). The two are creative fields in which I excel, and yet much of the time I don’t “feel” creative at all compared to the types of personalities I encounter in those circles. However, one of the reasons I’m successful in these areas is by unknowingly allowing myself to develop my Si copilot (which you all suggested in the episode!). I’ve never been the type of person to comfortably try new approaches to art or music unless I am sure that I know, inside and out, the fundamentals of what I am doing FIRST. And I always continue to revisit them, when many people I work with would rather skip over it. Regarding my art, I set aside time to work (produce for clients) and time to play (create for myself). The play time is vital for my art because it’s a safe place and structured time to experiment and become solid at things I would one day like to employ in my work. Regarding music, there are stylistic choices I make when singing that SOUND improvisational to listeners, but my secret is that I have a “bank” stored in my head of vocal choices that have been rehearsed over and over again until I am able to get my voice to do what I want with it, and once I’m familiar with a song, then I can sit back and play with the tricks I’ve “mastered” and added to my bank. Off-the-cuff…?nope, I’m a total fraud! Anyway, I’ve been paying close attention to my copilot my entire life without realizing, until you two spelled it out for me.

    I really enjoy your podcast and articles. My INTJ husband and I listen to them together, and find the information to be especially valuable when issues arise that need sorting out. Thanks for breaking it down so well.

    • Jami Watkins

      Forgot to add – your suggestion of using Ne the way one would use a spice for an ESxJ was brilliant. Very much resonated with me.

    • Norm

      Jami, I can relate to making sure I have the fundamentals down 100% first. With me, it is probably even more extreme since my iNtuition is even further down the stack. I often get so bogged down with the fundamentals that I usually fail to venture beyond it to try and create anything new.

      Hope to continue the conversation with you in future threads.

  • Norm

    I am ISTJ. I came across this site and also listened to this podcast. I’ve been aware of MBTI for a few years and have come to terms with my own personality type. However, I’ve often wished I were more intuitive and that I could somehow develop it more. I also came across your Intuitive Awakening program and was interested in purchasing it, but it all seems to be geared towards those who have intuition as their primary perceiving function already.

    I’ve always admired deep thinkers, outside of the box thinkers, and visionaries. From what I heard on this podcast, there is no way for me to personally go in that direction. It is all very discouraging.

    • Antonia Dodge

      As an ISTJ your intuition is your aspiration! That’s a very positive thing. I think of people who have built careers and lives around their aspirations and kicked ass. Oprah Winfrey, who I suspect is an ENFJ, answered “what would most people be surprised to know about you” with “Underneath it all, I’m a teacher.” That’s a very Introverted Thinking aspirational answer – she influences how millions of people think.

      Martha Stewart, who I suspect is an ISFJ, defines herself foremost as “a creative.” This would be her Extraverted Intuition aspiration and, again, millions of people benefit from her creativity.

      Your intuition will look, operate and influence you differently than it will for someone who has intuition as either a Driver or Co-Pilot. But it’s not a part of you that should be marginalized – it’s a voice that whispers to you and takes you to great places.

      Just like my sensory part does for me.

      Don’t be discouraged! Integrate your Extraverted Intuition – find new ways to establish positive structures – and let it be your aspiration.

      Good luck. <3


  • Jess Visher

    This was very helpful in discovering some things about my past in relation to my Ni-ness, thank you!

  • Lorelee

    I am an INFP who has always felt the need to hide behind intellectual rationalization in order to justify how I see the world. I would very much like to stop hiding. Re: trajectory of human development. What I see is that we are not living in times of crisis so much as times of chaos. Chaos being defined as “behaviour so unpredictable so as to appear random”. In times of crisis, it’s prudent to look to history to see how the crisis was handled, but in times of chaos, it’s prudent to look to “out of box thinkers”. I would suggest that the trajectory of human development has already shifted from reductionism to systems-based thinking, that the governing structures are/have shifted from linear hierarchal, impositional & power based structures to network, invitational and value-based structures. “Politico” does not mean election of officials. It means “gathering of the citizens”. Citizens are gathering, sharing, listening and transforming. We’re going to be alright – in fact we already are.

  • Lost For Words

    “Intuitives also need to get better at communicating things in ways that can be understood by others.”

    ^ Story of my life!

    I admire Introverted Thinking because it is so systematic and precise. I see how useful it can be when applied to intuitive insights. In the socionics type system, Ti is the “ignoring function” in my cognitive stack (I’m an MBTI INTJ). In other words, it’s a function that will be observable in my behavior, but largely ignored and unrefined. I often read that dominant Ni users think in pictures. It’s very visual. In my experience, this is true. I tend to think in motion pictures! Sometimes, I feel like words are just an inadequate representation of everything that goes on in my brain. Finding the right words to evoke the right mental images is a skill.

    I like when you say we are all intuitive and sensors because to some degree and capacity, we actually use ALL 8 functions.

    For the awesome things you’re doing here at Personality Hacker, I really recommend you expand your tool kit by including wherever insights the socionics system can offer. A good start is wikisocion.net

    Leon Tsao has more awesome insights on the “ignoring function” of each personality type. I’ll include a link to his blog with your (Antonia and Joel) two personality types featured (ENFP & ENTP, right?).


    • Lost For Words

      I’m sorry it’s called the “demonstrative function”! See what I mean about unrefined Ti though! Lol. With all these different systems, it gets confusing.

      Depending on the system, the number stacking and the letter type codes differ. Leon refers to it as the demonstrative function as the 6th function, socionics calls it the 8th function.

      • Antonia Dodge

        Thank you for sharing resources that have been helpful for you! We agree – Socionics has some truly fascinating concepts.

        “With all these different systems, it gets confusing.”

        This statement is actually why we prefer to expand not-type related tools rather than introduce more complexity to the MB system in our podcasts. We focus on the growth elements of type, and most people need help developing and/or integrating their first four functions in their stack. Getting further down the rabbit’s hole of type can be counter-intuitive to growth – instead of doing the work those of us into type have the tendency to just keep learning more.

        It’s been a conscientious choice on our part. There are a lot of type-based resources online. We’ve decided to help fill the niche of personal growth as it relates to type.


  • Sara Rothamel

    I loved the format of this discussion. It was really helpful to follow the cognitive function through the car to see how it performs in each seat. I would love to see this with the other functions as well.

  • Karen

    Inspiring podcast, thanks!

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