Podcast – Episode 0400 – Using Archetypes For Personal Growth

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In this 400th episode, Joel and Antonia talk about the benefits of intentionally working with archetype energies to draw out your shadow and create personal growth results in your life.


In this podcast you’ll find:

  • Joel and Antonia are celebrating their 400th podcast episode – how does it feel as the podcast reaches its 8th year?
  • What’s it like listening to yourself talk on a podcast you recorded several years ago?
    • What are the positive and negative aspects to having your thoughts and experiences recorded?
  • What are Joel and Antonia’s current goals and focus areas for the podcast?
  • Working with archetypes – Antonia talks about her journey in moving from a knowledge-based understanding to an experiential and embodied knowing of Carl Jung’s work.
  • Why getting your head around archetypes and undertaking archetypal growth work can be challenging.
  • How archetypal energies lie inside of us and show up in our lives – Joel shares his thoughts on this as a father.
  • Thinking of archetypes as psycho-spiritual tools.
  • Exploring Jung’s concepts of the ego, the shadow and the role of the persona.
    • Why integrating the ego and shadow is so important.
  • Spiritual bankruptcy in society and how groups can “market” us into believing we don’t need to do shadow work.
  • The role religion has played in addressing the shadow.
  • What does it mean to do shadow work? Looking at The Senex or witch in John Beebe’s 8 function model as an example. Check out Episode 0396 for an overview of his model.
  • What are the different things that can happen if we don’t acknowledge and work to integrate our shadow?
    • Looking at the show Breaking Bad as a warning.
    • Viewing Mad Men as a positive example of a shadow integration journey.
  • The role of psycho-spiritual tools as a way of tapping into “wholeness”.
  • The possibilities that unfold as you embark on your growth journey – using a ship leaving the harbor as a metaphor.
  • Some final thoughts and reflections from Joel and Antonia on their podcast growth journey.

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  • Eric

    Amazing episode on a tantalizing topic. Is there a good place you would point us for a list of archetypes in general? The Red book or any others? I’m starting to read John Beebe’s book and it’s becoming obvious I don’t have much background in the “named” archetypes themselves.

    • Antonia Dodge

      Joseph Campbell’s work dives into archetypes well. Older Jordan Peterson lectures from university have a lot of archetypal content. An easy read is Jean Shinoda Bolen’s books, “Goddesses in Every Woman” and “Gods in Every Man.” We did a podcast series on them.

      I’d start with those and see where it takes you. 🙂


  • Reply

    Hi. Is there a place to read show notes? I am interested in some of the quotes you made and to have notes to examine the ideas further. thank you.

  • Caty

    Hi Joel and Antonia. Excellent conversation. I’ve been listening since summer 2015!!! You two have introduced me to so many life changing maps & models and spurred so many different interests. Can’t thank you enough! 💛💛

  • William (Ixxx)

    I know I’m a few weeks late, but…

    Duuuuuun dundundun Duun Dun Duun DUUUUUUUUNN!!!

    400 weeks!

    Miserable attempt at typing a fanfare aside, congratulations and recognitions for the amazing stick-to-it-ness of your work keeping the company alive, not to mention the weekly podcast :D. Your personal anecdotes, words of hard-earned advice, and devotion to positively impacting the world around you have touched many and pointed them to more healthy thought patterns and other health tips (major kudos for all your work expanding your horizons with Jung on Yoga and the Enneagram starter kits).

    I’m very much looking forward to seeing what you all will be up to next! Thanks so much for all you do for us who’ve come across your work.

    Best wishes,

  • Jolene C

    Congrats on 400!!! 🎉🌟😎 You have been a solid foundation for my personal growth journey for very close to all 8 years!! I have listened to every podcast and rely on it for good Mbti info. I was SUPER excited during the recent John Biebe 8 model podcast and really hope they’ll be more on that subject in the future. Also, you’re always so hard on yourselves when you talk about your personal experiences, as if it’s a faux pas. But remember, we are here BECAUSE OF YOU! We are interested in YOU and your thoughts and lives. I love getting personal tidbits, anecdotes, struggles and victories. And not in a creepy way! Thank you for your dedication and your voices. I look forward to what the future holds, and hope it continues to include a podcast!

  • Adam Baillio

    Wow! 🤯 Very inspiring show. Thanks for sticking with it. I’ve been listening for about 3 or 4 years now, and I look forward to every episode.
    This episode really pulled some things together for me. I’ve been following archetypes, Hero’s journey, growth paths, etc from different sources and it all synchronized in this one episode!
    The concept of incorporating the shadow is in part recognizing the monstrous within ourselves – knowing that the monster is part of the self – and instead of suppressing it or denying it, harnessing it. It is facing the worst that life can throw at us and using our full strength to rise to the challenge.
    Thanks again and keep the journey going!

  • Shi

    Great! With this exciting new direction, do you think we could have a PH and This Jungian Life podcast collab?

  • Marie - INTJ

    Wow, 400 hundred episodes, that’s awesome! Congrats and thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights with us every week. One of the highlights of my week is when you publish a new episode, the longer the better :-D.
    I’ve listened to your podcast for almost three years and joined three of your programs, so far. The latest being Jung on Yoga, which is AMAZING and has been a game changer for me.
    I can honestly say that you’ve changed my life. So, THANK YOU, again!
    Looking forward to the next 100 episodes 😉

    • Joel Mark Witt

      Thank you Marie for the kind words. So happy you are seeing changes in your personal life.

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