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In this episode, Joel and Antonia go on a journey of discovery where they showcase the need for positively expressed Introverted Feeling in today’s world.
In this podcast you’ll find:
- The Wire (HBO)
- Introverted Intuition (Ni) “Perspectives”
- Ni is a perceiving process
- Dominant function for INTJs & INFJs
- Copilot function for ENTJs & ENFJs
- Real understanding without the depth of intimacy that Fi feels.
- Ni feels objective. Understanding for understanding sake without empathy.
- Being able to understand someone is different from validating their feelings.
- Compassion can be the result, but it’s not the mechanism Ni uses when understanding another person’s perspective.
- Ni gives us the ability to study things dispassionately
- NTJs are more likely to look at everything in concepts of systems.
- NFJs are more likely to look at people as systems.
- But both can play both sides.
- It’s about removing the individual’s personal feelings, so those feelings don’t create bias.
- To get underneath what is happening
- Fully clocked Ni is a simulation of Se which observes reality as it comes.
- Instead of outside world sensory info (Se), Ni simulates that process internally.
- Entire realities created within itself.
- If some of our language around Ni sounds like Ti and Fi, remember that T/F are judging functions. N/S are learning functions.
- Ti is looking for truth
- Fi is looking for intent/desire
- Ni doesn’t want anything. It follows its internal bliss and allows things to surface as it will.
- It has the intent of insight, but it doesn’t want anything. It’s just observing.
- Ni is captured by simulated reality.
- Si has a past orientation. Impressions built over time. Experiential.
- Ni doesn’t have to experience something. It takes what it understands about sensory stimuli and creates simulations of reality.
- Why does the world need Ni?
- Black Mirror (Netflix) looks at how technology advances to dystopian futures.
- Ni developed to assist survival situations.
- What does it look like if this happens?
- Ni gives us the importance of consequences.
- Ni can run the simulation and share it in a way that others can understand.
- What will happen down the line if I knock this domino over here?
- Ni taps into the depth of imagination.
- Ni looks at the fundamental principles of the human mind.
- How do minds operate? What are the patterns that the human mind tends to attach?
- Fi: “Whatever is most personal is most universal.”
- Ni: “The macro reflects the micro, and the micro reflects the macro.”
- We have a lot of disagreements right now; Ni can help bridge the gap to create a simulated shared reality.
- For Fi, it understands the power of narrative, and if it doesn’t dive deep into its intent and motivation, it can start to manipulate the power of narrative to get what it wants.
- Getting to that dispassionate place is hard for NJs (especially NFJs).
- NJs mind has given them a place to go to create psychological distance from people.
- Ni can keep shifting perspectives until it finds one it likes.
- “I’ll just find a perspective where I’m happy.”
- What crosses supports you.
- All of our strengths can be turned against ourselves.
- Ni can get so lost in its simulations that it doesn’t bring its gifts to the world. It just stays in a place that isn’t good because it can make peace with it… for a time.
- The world needs sophisticated Ni to keep the gift of being able to see multiple perspectives and run simulations of worlds that haven’t been created.
- The world needs Ni.
- We are entering a more complex world. We cannot know what is going to happen.
- We aren’t going to make it as the human race unless we have a future perspective showing us where we are heading.
- Ni in the backseat can still give you a future paced viewpoint.
- ESTP: “Some people don’t know they’re alive unless they’re in pain.”
- They understand that people come with certain mindsets.
- Fi can hold space for the darkness of the heart.
- Ti can hold space for people’s darker thoughts.
- Ni can hold space for people’s mindsets that aren’t serving them.
- Si can hold space for people with dark pasts.
- Ni taps into how we talk to ourselves.
- Ni users love NLP: How our minds construct reality.
- ePrime
- Inner dialogue is not the same as inner narrative.
- Tap into the inner dialogue and the way you use words to describe your reality.
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Since I don’t use Ne (and haven’t listened to many of Antonia and Joel’s talks on it!), I can’t comment on the comparison. I do find, as someone who uses Ni, I think I am having fewer and fewer perspectives of my own the more I think about and try to understand things. It seems hard to justify a single perspective (e.g. mine) when so many others exist and may be equally valid.
Does anyone else frequently experience this sort of “I don’t have an perspective” phenomenon?
As an INTJ I have realized that my intuition allows me to understand motives people have and scripts that people run. One example is with my INFJ boyfriend. I have learned that he might have an emotional response to something, but I don’t. Instead I am able to side step the emotions by going to an analysis of why a person may behave the way they did. Typically I come up with a perspective that he had never thought of and it typically makes sense to him and eliminates the strong emotional response.
Thanks for sharing this. I don’t have Ni so I may be completely wrong about this. But I think there’s something here. How often do you find yourself cognitively reframing your perspectives, and how easy it is for you to change from something you previously believed as true previously?
So comparing with an ENTP (who also has Ti quite strong), they seem to change their perspectives (personally held ones, not just simulations) every week. This may be because they never really have one firmly held one and are always looking at reality through multiple lenses simultaneously. So any perspective shift is so small for them.
But maybe for Ni-doms, the shift is rarer and is something momentous and often has significant impacts. It takes longer to abandon an old perspective but when they do the felt change has greater implications and changes real life in a more meaningful way. In short the shifts are rarer for Ni but much more drastic and remarkable when they happen.
Interested to hear what you think. Just trying to reconcile the idea from other sources that Ni users usually have one grand narrative/perspective and what PH say about simulating different scenarios in their head. PH, are they simulating different scenarios from the same grand perpective of the world, or changing the lens with each simulation? Also, how would you explain INJs becoming attached and doggedly determined about their singular perspectives once they have found one which feels so true?
A point I took to heart – I wasn’t fully aware that I can use Ti as a place to rest and I’m very grateful you pointed that out. I’ve just done a lot of work on harmony and totally forgot the joy of just being alone and following my thoughts.
I hope it came across that I took a lot of helpful info from the podcast, and maybe really getting how NTJs use it is a good thing. The only thing I found tricky was the phrasing on empathy, because that’s exactly what a lot of NFJs are using introverted intuition for. I agree with Carolyn that it sounded like introverted feeling is better at empathy (especially after your incredibly kind words at the end of the last podcast on introverted feeling, which I totally second and had my husband (INFP) listen to.
I think an important note that I have learned as an intj, particularly with my intp brother, is that my ability to accurately simulate variables in a situation is naturally limited by the information and data I know and am actively considering. When I am discussing analyses with my brother often times I will come up with a reasonable simulation and discuss it with him and then he will bring up a data point that he thinks is important that I didn’t necessarily consider or weight as heavily. The introduction of that information will then often change key elements of the simulation. Each time my simulation was a reasonable projection from the information I was considering, but sometimes because thinking about all the nuanced data points isn’t my strength as much, it may limit the actual validity of the simulation.